I understand your point, OP.
>>2
>heyuri without kuz is silent and lonely
>sh without lolico is broken and without soul
If he wont work with me, then we cant cooperate. Im down to shoot him an email and maybe we can get back together. I am fine with shutting down StrawberryHeaven for the sake of minimizing Heyuris competition.
>>5
>Heyuri was a project that had a lot of love, effort, and enthusiasm poured into it from almost everyone involved, and that showed in multiple ways; in terms of how the site looked and functioned, how it was developed and moderated, and in terms of the effort the users proactively put back into it
Heyuri had a lot of effort poured into it because the people pouring effort into it knew what they were doing and genuinely loved to see the communitys response. I was one of those people. In StrawberryHeaven, development is slow, grueling, and yields little to no reward when finished. Our developers cannot even communicate to the people they are working for!
>Heyuri also had a positive feedback loop with the way the site was ran and maintained, and with the users making all kinds of great threads, replies, and OC. There was a shared desire from all parties to see the site grow and prosper, and "grow and prosper" it did (at least up until the "running and maintaining" portion of the loop became dysfunctional beyond repair)
Heyuri had many more people than SH (your welcome, by the way). But for the most part, yes, this is true. It would likely have continued like this, if not for mine and lolicos arguments.
>Heyuri had heart, it had energy, and it had real momentum
Primarily because of the cooperation between me and lolico. We worked together and the output was significantly better then now. The heart and energy was driven by an active, organic, and live site. We are at best, a struggling, replica of a more polished model. Heyuri is a 3 piece puzzle, the cooperation between lolico and I accounts for at least 2 pieces, and the remainder relies on the userbase enjoying the outcome of our work, in Heyuri, the outcome was constant updates, newsposts, pages, fun, etc - SH is a 3 piece puzzle, with only 1 piece!
>SH on the other hand, lacks all of the above. It still looks like a half-assed stopgap, it has no real identity or personality of its own, and feels stagnant, directionless, and all but abandoned by its leadership - and that's after two entire months of existence
Welcome to development hell — I havent abandoned SH, not even close. But, surprise surprise, I have other things in my life as well. I put off so many things because of Heyuri and how much i loved it. With it gone, I have since resumed many things i had previously forfitted for Heyuris sake. We are stagnant — we are not directionless, we are not without leadership.
>It feels like SH's staff and the users here don't really give a shit about SH (at least not beyond it being a substitute for Heyuri), and I honestly feel the same way. Nothing here inspires me to make threads, create SH-related OC, or even to archive anything, even though I was doing all of those things on a daily basis back on Heyuri
SH is primarily just a substitute for Heyuri, its not great, but its not terrible. You might agree that it is significantly better to have something miserable than to have nothing at all.
>There's just very little reason to care about this place - nothing in particular is happening, there's no visible signs of development, we still don't have some of the most basic features from Heyuri
There is nothing happening, I usually assumed that eventually, back in Heyuri, things in the development world would calm down a bit. We werent meant to be in a perpetual state of progress, instead, just gradually heading to a future where heyuri was essentially a utopia for those involved. So yeah, in Heyuri something was always happening, but thats because we were constantly updating things, doing new stuff with the system, etc — come modern day, we have a much more stagnant and relaxed system. I assumed that at some point Heyuri would "stagnate" in development, but never thought that the userbase would be affected.
>the "news" is few and far between and spread across multiple sites for no reason
The news you need to see for SH can be found on SH's frontpage. If you are looking elsewhere for SH news, then you are doing it wrong.
>the monthly anime didn't happen AGAIN, there's only a single banner after all this time.
oops — and we havent recieved any banner submissions.
>there's all these stupid vanity-project sister sites that have no reason to exist beyond kuz procrastinating on dealing with this place
Like...? What site do you think has "no reason to exist" beyond my procrastination? Do you assume everything I do is directly related to SH somehow?
>Speaking of kuz, if you told me that the kuz from Heyuri died and someone else took his name to make this place, I'd be half-inclined to believe you. One of the main plus points he had over lolico was his ability to interact with the community, but the only sign of communication from kuz here is the "soz 4 teh stagnations" announcement above, and a few "updates coming!!!" "actually no ._." posts on the front page
When there is nothing newsworthy, the news will be slow. I havent seen any threads (besides this one) worthy of replying to, and this is actually the first time I have checked SH today. I cannot help that the sole english developer quit, maybe some of you should stop bitching and moaning and start helping. Just sayin'
>Half the time when news related to this site is posted, kuz posts it on some other URL
Would it be any different if the news could be accessed on strawberryheaven.net as opposed to kolyma.jp or kuz.lol ? I wasnt aware that anyone cared.
>It reminds me of when moot stopped casually posting on 4chan from time to time, and started using his tumblr blog instead of the 4chan news page - that was the moment it became clear that he didn't care very much about 4chan anymore, and it feels like something similar is happening here
I elaborated on this earlier in this post, and that is primarily because nothing is happening, development is slow, nothing noteworthy has happened on SH or Heyuri save a developer coming and going. Im not going to just pull shit out of my ass to make everyone feel like im still around. I do care, but that doesnt mean I will force feed everyone useless news. — But hey, if you want me to post things i would post on kuz.lol here, then im all for it. Didnt know that anyone from SH read there outside of the occasional post about heyuri or SH!
>>7
>That basically did happen. Heyuri (according to kuz himself) was incredibly dear, and he spent upwards of 6+ hours a day on it. When it "died" (he was fired) he found it incredibly depressing. Even after he was fired, he still posted on it regularly. I remember him being absolutely distraught when the site itself got taken down.
Pretty much.
>The kuz in Heyuri was dedicated, happy, and it was one of the main things he did. The kuz in SH regards it as merely a sidenote in one of his projects. Stuff like kolyma has existed for ages, but the creation of his personal site really reflects him losing interest with the userbase and site as a whole.
The creation of a personal site for my personal stuff reflects me "losing interest" in SH how?
>I honestly, and wholeheartedly would do near anything for heyuri to come back (with kuz). I would fucking run through the street naked screaming "I LOVE COCKS IN MY ASS".
Go for it. It wont make anything go faster but i suppose it'd be a good laugh — and on a more serious note, I also wish heyuri would come back. It could come back right now if lolico and I could cooperate, I have the hosts, domain, and everything else needed, and yes, I do own the legal rights to Heyuri. So even if he wanted to start it back up without me, it simply wouldnt work. I havent seized the domain from him because i would rather work with then against him.
Thanks.
— kuzzykins
