yaril ## Admin 20/10/17(Sat)01:43

hey~

I am the temporary administrator during kuznetsovs absence, and i will attempt to help these troubles. I do not speak as good english as kuznetsov but I will help where i can.

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For the most part, yes, you are correct, StrawberryHeaven suffers from alot more technical problems then Heyuri did. We essentially hade a tradeoff, either we get the spam and downtimes of heyuri, or the technical downsides of SH. It seems neither can have the benefits of erachother.

I personally propose that Riley set aside his differences with Kuznetsov, and that Kuznetsov will do the same to the counterpart.

I say this as we come and see problems towards sh that heyuri never had, and the problems heyuri had, that sh doesnt. I believe that whatever it may be, SH, or Heyuri, needs both to function. Both administrators had expert knowledge on core subjects, and when functioning together, they could bring about a much more propserous site. StrawberryHeaven without some of Rileys expertise is lacking, and Heyuri2 without Kuznetsov, his userbase, and his knowledges, will lack important things.

Due to the source code still being avaliable to Both administrators, putting it back on kuznetsovs servers would be relatively easy. The fact that it is public now? No problem, a open source heyuri is a better heyuri.

In short, i am saying that without either, both fail. Heyuri doesnt have to be dead, but it will continue its staleness without kuz, and SH will remain sub-par without Riley.

I hope my best that the 2 will find a peaceful conclusion, and that SH will merge into heyuri, or heyuri into SH. The sites share alot of the same users, culture, and history. Why must we fight?

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• Yaril

i mean... its miles ahead of the last 2 incarnations

Asking Heyuri to "reunify" with SH is like asking South Korea to reunify with North Korea.
It's not going to happen. I'm cutting ties completely.
If you found Heyuri through 9chan I do recommend you do stay here, the Heyuri you want will never come back, but SH can become the next best thing (or better [for you]).

>>5
OP here - I didn't find Heyuri through 9chan, in fact I'd never even heard of 9chan (at least not a kuz-owned or Russian-language 9chan) until I saw it mentioned on Heyuri - and I still highly doubt all the dubious and sourceless claims made about it

That said, the "Heyuri" I refer to was more than just "an imageboard owned and developed by lolico featuring a star logo", in the same way 4chan was more than just "an imageboard owned and developed by moot/team 4chan featuring a 4-leaf clover logo". It was more than simply whatever website that you (lolico) personally decided to work on, and more than just the combined administrative efforts of lolico + kuz (or lolico + cavalier as it was when I first found it)

Heyuri was the userbase, the rules, the style of moderation, the boards, the culture, the features, the history, the CSS (and its hax), the GETs, the OC, the easygoing nature, the lack of angry faggots, the funny/interesting threads, the never having to wait around long for a reply, the waking up every morning and rushing over to your PC in excitement to see what new posts had been made as if everyday was Christmas, and the working on your next Heyuri-related project/OC that you can't wait to show everyone

That's the Heyuri I speak of, that I miss, and that I want back - not the egos involved, nor the childish arguments said egos partook in (which were often so retarded that for a long time I thought you guys were just roleplaying as a dysfunctional couple for the LOLs)

If anything, it would probably be for the best if someone completely unrelated to the people involved with running former-Heyuri or its offshoots were to take up the mantle, as unrealistic as that prospect sounds - to place it in your own analogy, I'm not interested in oppressive and walled-in North Korea, or plastic and soulless South Korea; I want grorious Japan! (with Yuki-chan as Prime Minister, Empress, worshipped deity, and national symbol of cute and virility)

>>6 THIS, THIS 100 TIMES

I wish this site was run by a pedophillic.

>>2
The inaccuracies in that image are numerous

>>3
like?

I choose whichever option will actually bring about the features in question, and won't lead to eternal development hell or subpar results!! ^^

Option 1 would obviously be the most desirable (at least in a hypothetically perfect world), but it's at high risk of never being completed, and you will be reinventing the wheel for the most part (NIH syndrome is a bitch, especially if you're short on competent developers with lots of free time and enthusiasm, like most imageboards are). I'm not fully convinced that this is a viable option... but I'm happy to be proven wrong!!

Option 2 seems like a no-go - if the current setup was workable then surely we'd have some of those missing features by now, and we wouldn't still be replying to post No.1 in every thread

Option 3 is the "easy option" in terms of getting something up and running quickly, but will probably suck hard unless you:

• choose the software very wisely (many of the older scripts that would best fit our desired functionality/aesthetic are riddled with vunerabilities and performance issues, many of the newer ones are too far departed from the traditional Futaba/old-4chan functionality/aesthetic to be worth it, and over the years I've heard many admins complain about just about all of them in terms of how unworkable and poorly coded they generally are)
• have developers on hand that can actually work with the codebase
• don't make the same mistakes as all the crappy template imageboards out there who just change a few logos/banners, throw some spaghetti CSS on top of the stock frontend, and call it a day

There is also Option 4, although I'm not sure about the moral/legal aspect of it...

Revive old Heyuri code!

I'm unaware as to how much of the final version of Heyuri's software anyone has access to, but the older Sakomoto version wasn't TOO disimilar from the script that replaced it (at least from a user's perspective), and the end result would be something very familiar. It's open source (GPLv3), and comes with many of the features you'd otherwise be spending hours/days/weeks/months working on straight out of the gate: https://github.com/rileyjamesbell/sakomoto

Just to remind everyone what it looked like (and why I strongly believe SH needs to improve A LOT before it can be considered a successor to Heyuri), here's some archives of Sakomoto-era Heyuri:
https://archive.vn/KEFfH
https://web.archive.org/web/20200303080232/https://heyuri.net/

Doesn't it look great!?!? I want to post there!!!!1 ㄟ(≧◇≦)ㄏ

>>2
kuz has legal rights to heyuri and its software. i suggest 4!

yaril ## Admin 20/10/18(Sun)23:41

its on the way!

>>2
fuck man, looking at those archives hurts my soul

orly

>1/4th of the website is dedicated to reimu/armpits

Every good site has a section dedicated to armpits desu

>1/4th of the website is dedicated to reimu/armpits

typical kuz. anyone else want flan/feet ?

>>10
it will never be as good as reimu/armpits.

OP, the existence of the Reimu/armpits board does not detract from the 'old 4chan' feel at all. I wish that you had explained why you think it does rather than calling stuff a memechan and meme boards and leaving it at that.

Guys in this thread, don't get angry. Every chan that uses frames and has 2005 era azumanga memes as banners is judged as "another one of those sites" and for good reason. The few sites that have an "old vibe" that are respected and have a userbase that comes back are sites that have actually existed since the early 2000s (ie; SAoVQ and 4-ch).

>>13
Perhaps an explanation of what this place actually is, is needed

This site, as it exists right now, is essentially a hastily cobbled-together stopgap made sometime after Heyuri (and a couple of other stopgaps along the way) crashed and burned in a fire of spam and hax. It exists so that users of the old site have at least something up and running for the time being, until a true successor is ready to fully house our brand of faggotry

Most of the former userbase is currently holed up off-site and masturbating furiously to yuki-chan, and thus have largely not moved over to here yet - not least because this iteration is still in a barebones state, and is missing most of the old features and assets that we used to have. Major changes to the board software are in the works, which is why some of us are hesitant to make ourselves at home just yet

While our old site did have an undeniable "old internet" sentiment to it, and a userbase that bathed in nostalgia like a junkie bathes in opioids, it wasn't trying to emulate old 4chan specifically, as many assumed (and continue to assume) at first glance - at least, not beyond the fact it was an English-language Futaba-clone with an emphasis on anime and internet humor, as well as a couple of old 4chan-derived features that we liked (OK, maybe it was a little old-4chan inspired...)

Places like this naturally attract oldbies and noobs alike who often desire to relish in all the old memes, macros, and catchphrases of the past - acts of which are likely seen as forced and "uh, LAME" to outsiders looking in. However, it's not all reposts of old 4chan crap - we've made plenty of our own crap too! (And some of that crap was actually quite good - pic related, it's Heyuri-tan!!)

So while this particular instance of this particular site might not carry a legacy in its name equal to that of the other places you mentioned, we're still keeping one of the flames of the old interwebs alive in our own, special, semi-retarded way

>>14

>Places like this naturally attract oldbies and noobs alike who often desire to relish in all the old memes, macros, and catchphrases of the past - acts of which are likely seen as forced and "uh, LAME" to outsiders looking in.

Ah, screw the outsiders.

>>5
Most of the bad users come from https://alogs.theguntretort.com/ and https://tvch.moe/ since these sites focus on internet drama and shitposting (respectively). The rest of the webring is friendlier and in most cases only want to be alone in their own corners.

>>9

>I had fun posting on /loomis/

There's a /loomis/ board on a(nother) 8chan spin-off that was created when 8kun banned lolis: https://8chan.moe/loomis/

>>13
The webring plugins are only available for boards that use vichan, lynxchan, and jschan... one of our defining attributes is that we don't use those!!
An alternative could be to add links/banners to some of the webring sites and ask them to do the same for SH.

>>14

>pic related, it's Heyuri-tan!!

She's cute!

>>17
She is!

I wouldn't mind joining the webring. I don't know if it would bring in too many undesirable users though.

>>5

>I don't know if it would bring in too many undesirable users though

That's pretty much all it has to offer us at this point, and I say that as someone who owns a board on the webring

I'd rather have fresh, bright-eyed, and malleable newbies from 4chan and other places on teh intrarnets than the miserable moralfags and trolls that frequent 8chan spinoffs

>>6

>fresh, bright-eyed, and malleable newbies
>from 4chan

Boy, are you in for a surprise.

>>7
They do exist, but you have to look past the many political baiters, social engineers, low-effort trolls, and disenchanted older users to notice them, which admittedly isn't an easy task

8chan and it's spinoffs on the other hand developed a very pessimistic, neurotic, and stubbornly moralistic nature to them, with a million different made-up formatting/lingo rules and supposed faux-pas that none of us back in the day ever used or took notice off, which drove away many of the older imageboard users and killed off the steady influx of new users

It's a shame because I once had great hopes for 8chan and enjoyed a lot of the early niche and creative boards (as well as making my own), but that's all gone now. All that's left behind today is a core of generally very humorless and unlikable people, whose remaining communities are in the midst of a death spiral

Being around those places is very draining and disheartening, and I'm glad people are working on sites like Heyuri and SH where the users are free to have fun instead (^▽^)

UNLESS THEY BREAK RULE 8!!! (￣ε(#￣)☆🔨o(￣皿￣///)

>>5

>I don't know if it would bring in too many undesirable users though.

Rather than that, I'd be more worried about SH becoming more visible to bad actors.
>>8

>It's a shame because I once had great hopes for 8chan and enjoyed a lot of the early niche and creative boards (as well as making my own), but that's all gone now.

It really was neat. I had fun posting on /loomis/. There was also a nice board called /nothingness/.

>>8
I don't think you can blame 8ch users for being sour. [spoiler]Our[/spoiler] whole history is basically one of being antagonized, betrayed and hounded. It's all fun and games until you start being noticed, and you have to deal with people actively trying to drive you out and destroy you. I can understand not wanting to associate with the "8chan diaspora" and honestly I wouldn't even encourage it unless you know what you'd be getting into and who you'd make into an enemy. I hope you guys are at least taking some lessons from what happened and what keeps happening.
The internet is srs bsns now.

hou do u join web ring

>>11
Fastest way would probably be to ask on smug's /support/ board, I think there's a thread for it. You'd probably need some infrastructure changes based on board software too but that's beyond my brain capacity. Again, though, I wouldn't necessarily recommend it right now at least since all you're probably going to get is spammers and shitposters.

>>8
I was along for the whole ride, and I think the negative attention was mostly a self-fulfilling prophecy

When the majority of the userbase only ever focuses on sociopolitical crap, and everyone's too busy playing "spot the 'shill'/'SJW'/'kike'/'normalfag'/'newfag'/'halfchanner'/'redditor'/buzzword-of-the-week" to allow for any good old-fashioned interwebs fun, you develop a very angry and paranoid userbase that attracts negativity and drives out all the funny and creative users that make imageboards fun places to be in the first place

If the above is teh cancer, Heyuri and SH are teh chemo

>>12
The webring plugins are only available for boards that use vichan, lynxchan, and jschan... one of our defining attributes is that we don't use those!!

>>10

>The internet is srs bsns now.

NOT HERE LOL (^▽^)

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kuz ## Admin 20/10/06(Tue)06:59

discuss.

Frames can be optional, just don't remove them completely. I liked the frontpage, it gives the RaspberryHeaven flavor. For the software, just do whatever would be easier for you. If you are going to recreate every post, I think it is not too late yet! I don't know about teh programmings, but maybe we or mods could help too by reposting everything in date order if you make an early access to the new software? Also I think the site doesn't have the traffic it deserves yet, so please go easy on taking action against inactive boards for now!

>Frames - yes or no, and should they be optional

Yes, optional!

>new softwarez

I won't lie - the current setup is kinda shitty. I'm not sure what it is exactly, but it just doesn't inspire me to post or make stuff, despite me being very active back on Heyuri

The per-thread post numbers (RIP GETs ;;), no original filenames (mah old UNIX timecode e-peen ;;), HTML tags being added to posts once they're submitted (which fux up all ur formatting), none of the cute/fun features we had back on Heyuri... SHIT SUX!

StrawberryHeaven? More liek StrawberryPurgatory!

(USER WAS BANNED FOR THIS POST)

>and front page (see: newspost)

The current front page is OK, but I think it might just need more refinement. I really liked the one Heyuri used to have, particularly in the pre-June "Sakomoto" days. The Haruhi one though... WTF o_0

>removing some boards due to inactivity

I'm all for it - there are WAY too many boards for our current population size, and most of them are just legacy 4chan boards that had a reason to exist for them back in 2003/2004, but don't necessarily make sense for us here today

My opinion is that all we need right now is /b/ the imageboard, /f/ the flash board, and /q/ the meta board) and everything else belongs on /b/ until proven otherwise. Any new types of board should get their own dedicated board (such as an uploader board, an oekaki board, a textboard, and so on), but multiple instances of the same board type should only be made when they are required, rather than desired

Consider that the only boards on Futaba that have extremely high levels of activity are Nijiura may and img (those two boards alone make up for 96% of the entire site's activity, which is approximately 13,000 PPH... each!!), and the only board on 4chan that had tons of activity prior to the massive population growth in 2007/2008 was /b/ (which also made up 95-99% of the entire site's activity)

>>4
Additional reason to ditch the current board software:

IT WON'T LET ME DO THIS CLASSIC SMILEY TWICE IN A ROW BECUZ IT THINKS TWO UNDERLINES = LOL ITALICS

PIECE OF SHIT!

I mainly agree with >>4 but I think there should be a dedicated nsfw board. I'm also indifferent towards frames

>>6
also the haruhi frontpage is beautiful

I agree with >>4 but if you HAD to keep as many boards as possible, I would keep /jp/ or /a/ (they're the same thing desu), a nsfw board, and /gif/ with support for video files in addition to the boards >>4 mentioned. Hell you could probably combine /f/ and /gif/ if you really wanted, but that would ruin the spirit of the site, no?
>>3

>Also I think the site doesn't have the traffic it deserves yet, so please go easy on taking action against inactive boards for now!

I'll be honest and say that found this site outside of the circles most of the users here are from, hailing from the webring and a few other ib's, and I've browsed through a lot of ib's for fun over the years so I'd hope I know what I'm talking about.
I find that new sites with a small to nonexistent userbases and a ton of boards tend to die off quickly. People are likely to click off your site when they see that 90% of the boards contain no content. This is made worse with sites without an overboard. It's hard to tell if any parts of the site are active at all without one, especially when there's 10+ boards!
You can see this phenomenon at it's worst with sites advertising user board creation as their main feature. People tend to try and recreate every single 4chan and 8chan board that ever existed on these sites and you end up with 200 boards on a site with no users. Really, you can only get away with this kind of thing if you have a fairly large userbase migrating to another site at a very rapid pace. That's why 8chan could deal with so many boards so quickly early on and other sites can't.

>>8
We had quite an active userbase back on Heyuri, at least before teh drama, teh spam, and teh h4x0rz

Most of the boards besides /b/ and /q/ were "sleeping" most of the time though =￣ω￣=

kuz ## Admin 20/10/07(Wed)08:46

i guess in the meanwhile, this thread can be used for discussion.

see: blog.kuz.lol#8 — i will document all the changes i make in detail there, as well as documenting them 3 or 4 days before they actually take place.

why so much tomo? she is a shit and ruined the whole episode!

>>2
HOW FUCKING DARE YOU

Found my way here from a certain onion imageboard. I very much like this place. It really feels like 2006-2009ish 4chan, at least, from the archives I've read over the years. I'm very surprised by how intact the culture is actually. Is this a community effort involving the bullying of outsiders or a moderator effort with excessive bans? Perhaps both? Regardless I'll enjoy lurking here.

>>4
glad you like it

Skyzzerz ## Moderator 20/09/29(Tue)22:14

we're working on all of that, the site came out in somewhat of a rush.

kaguya ## Moderator 20/09/29(Tue)22:21

For overboard, it probably isn't exactly what you are exactly looking for, but there is https://sys.kolyma.jp/brv.htm

>>2
🍓🍓🍓🍓
🍓Sweet!🍓
🍓🍓🍓🍓

I wouldn't mind spoiler tags and onion support, though I suppose it would conflict with the spirit of the site.